It's M. C. Escher, not Salvador Dali!
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Wanting to get more into abstract art? Looking to reproduce that "Dali" look, or simply mix up your style a bit more? Well, the Peeled Orange Skin Shader will surely get your creativity juices flowing again.
That "look" is M. C. Escher.
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To be honest, when I saw the promos, I thought 'Dali' too. :)
Probably because of this painting: https://goo.gl/images/a7QaH2
Yeah, my Art History teacher would be facepalming over this. lol
The only Escher I know of is the mathematician.
Perhaps Dali is more synonymous with surrealism, so the vendor was more referring to that.
I'm a big fan of Dali' and yeah, many of his images are more surreal than illusory. Strange, rather than misleading. However, many are both surreal and illusory. He is famous for hidden images such as the three busts in this one. http://www.daliweb.tampa.fl.us/69.htm
Dali' is of course famous for melting clocks and oddities in perspection, but I find his huge works like the "Hallucinogenic Toreador" to be the most interesting expecially when viewed in person. The Hallucinogenic Toreador, for example, is about 13 feet high and 10 feet wide and is chock full of hidden images, the Toreador, the dalmation dog, the bull, the statue of Venus, the bust of Voltaire, the two nuns. https://www.dalipaintings.com/images/paintings/the-hallucinogenic-toreador.jpg The hidden dalmation dog has been used as a test for computerized vision systems to see if they can identify it.
If you're ever in St. Petersburg, Florida take time to go to the Dali' Museum.
Regardless, both are great artists, and the product is very cool.
Surreal, Illusory, I don't know enough about art to say which is which but I like them both. And Marshian has created a set of Escher style impossible objects https://www.daz3d.com/impossible-objects . I don't think anyone has made any soft watches yet, I'll have to find out how much you can bend an ordinary watch with a D Former.
I like the art of Dali, Escher and Magritte. For Magritte style art you can usually get away with some scaling and re-texturing, steam trains coming out of fireplaces, men made of granite, wearing granite bowler hats etc.
Rule 34 isn't just for porn. There's melted watch models all over the place, turbosquid, etc. Here's a free 3D model of the entire "Persistence of Memory", in case you want to send some characters into a Dali painting. https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-models/architectural/decoration/salvador-dali-the-persistence-of-memory
Who doesn't like Magritte? An anti-sky hawk is my spirit animal.
That's odd, because I'm a mathematician, and I don't know that Escher. Are you thinking of Leonhard Euler? Escher the artist and Euler the mathematician both have programming languages and asteroids named after them, so they're easy to confuse. Escher also has a museum; I do not believe Euler does.
There was a display of the works of the artist M. C. Escher at the International Congress of Mathematicians in Amsterdam in 1954, and the English mathematician J. F. Rigby named a theorem dealing with hexagonal tesselations of the plane after M. C. Escher, but that's all I've got.
Have an Escher hexagonal tesselation, ala Rigby.
OK, so it seems Escher was just a man that compiled a big list of knots and I heard of him only in passing in mathematics courses in college but it's still a subject in mathematics, just not one many have desire to specialize in.
Surrealism is about illogical, or anti-logic, and ideas of twisted perception. Dali, aside from his famous artworks, would sign "anything" (coke can, another artist's print) because the act of signing it made it a Dali in a surrealistic sense.
Escher, on the other hand, played with mathmatics and logic. In this case, topography. He claimed not to be a mathematician, but worked with them in his tessellation subjects. He blended pure mathmatics with natural subjects, but if you study nature you'll see mathmatics inherent in all its structures.
I find that POV to be almost inconceivable. I knew who Escher was long before I took an art degree. He's pretty dang important as an artist: influenced lots of people.
Did you take any art history? Drawing?
I thought it was Andy Warhol who was famous for doing that.
Dali was famous for signing piles of blank paper before the printmaker actually made any lighographs or woodcuts, leading to "authentic" signatures appearing on works printed after his death.
Indeed.
Yes, I did take an art history class and no we didn't have to draw in that class but we did have to create a work of art using found objects and while I made an A+ on that project I stll don't get very excited that Escher methodically applied mathematics to create lists of knots although with a degree in mathematics myself it is something I might have enough curiosity to investigate more myself as a hobby time bit of fun. Or maybe not, time is limited and I'm not a mover & shaker. Seems my art history teacher was more interested in Rococo, painting, and sculpture.
Regardless of how he signed his lithographs. He helped us out of a bind. We bought a signed lithograph of "Floradali-II" for $50 from the Dali' Museum in St. Petersburg, Florida about two years before he died. Spent $250 to frame it properly. Then shortly after he died, the price for his signed lithographs went through the roof for a while and we sold ours for $5000. It made a beliver of me.
Good thing it wasn't a Thomas Kincade print. You'd probably somehow still owe his estate money.
Why? What's the story of Thomas Kincade?
I took a lot of art history in college. It's interesting that both Dali and Magritte - who most people today consider to be hardcore surrealists - actually were at odds with much of what surrealism stood for. Also interesting that Escher somehow is placed in that company, as he's intellectually practually an anti-surrealist. Trus surrealism draws upon elements of chance (such as automatic writing) and nothing in Escher's work was left to chance.
If I recall my ancient art lessons, the artists of the period with Dali and Escher and many others, were in they called the Dada movement. They were ridculing the tendency of "art connesieurs" to identify Art as sacred. Indeed, earlier artists were patronized by the church, but the Dada movement went to ridicule everything. Hence the infamous toilet bowl installation in a gallery titled "Fountain". To regard a glazed ceramic basin made by a human, but in mass production, thereby not art not craft. It was the beginning of widening perspectives in everything from the constraints of Victorian culture. Andy Wahol of the Post Beat generation used the ease of reproducibility of illustration that methods used in advertisement applied to make 'art', and his work too, became "worshippped" by self-styled connesiuers, and con artists. During the 1970s it was nearly unbearable in Los Angeles, that any kind of junk could be elevated, and many times what was called "art" was more "theatre", abetted by museums! The main thing about Dali and Escher that I like is they were trained and excellent draughtsmen, not just some poseur rummaging in a junk yard and foisting a car fender or a post newel on the public as "art". I think this is when "art" was changed to demonstrate not so much the artfulness of the creator but whatever the beholder "wanted it to be", and moreso, what the investors wanted it to be. Of course, many jokes were made by artists upon the gullible. One of my favorites is Ernst Fuchs, known for the Rhinocerous, not to be confused with a wider known Max Ernst. Fascinating period of art. It exploded everywhere. However, my oils art instructor was one who sneered at "illustration". His outmoded view considered that somehow less an achievementt of imagination rendered by skill. He was contemptuous of "computer art", although I tried to explain, it's still manipuation of lighting, color, shape. He was truly old-school, but good, so I took his classes.
Thank you for that excellent illumination. I've always appreciated Dali' because he had skill as well as imagination. I like Dali' as much as Thomas Cole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Course_of_Empire_(paintings). Totally different styles but they both have at least two of my three requirements: skill, imagination, persistence.
The pointillists like Seurat produced some captivating images as well as some really ugly ones but they at least had skill and persistence. 
What I don't like is (my favorite example) a giant ragged red circle outline painted with a wide house painting brush on an otherwise blank canvas which was (in my opinion) lacking all three. Miro' was laughing all the way to the bank with that one. 
Well, if you really want to believe that's all he did, in the face of his substantial body of work other than the few pieces that are based on "lists of knots" (you know, like the two I posted with the peeled faces, the original topic of this discussion) then that's your right, however incomprehensible it is to me. I'm not going to grab you by the arm and force you to look at Relativity, Drawing Hands, House of Stairs, Eye, Other World, Three Spheres, Dewdrop, etc.
He had a reputation of being one of the sleaziest business men in the art world.
So, how do the impossible objects work in our 3d model system? Breaks that you have to line up from specific camera angles?
Yes they depend on a certain camera angle, cameras bein. loaded together with the object.